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Re: Astronomy C

Post by EKT26 » November 27th, 2020, 9:36 am

RiverWalker88 wrote:
November 27th, 2020, 9:18 am
I guess I'll take it...?

The attached image will be needed to answer the following questions.
  1. What DSO is depicted in this image?
  2. When this cluster was first discovered, astronomers were unsure if it was a true galaxy cluster, or one just forming. Observations in what wavelength proved this to be a true galaxy cluster?
  3. About how far away is this galaxy cluster (billion light-years)?
  4. At least 19 galaxies have been confirmed to be in this cluster. What measurement can we make to determine if a galaxy is in the same cluster as galaxies that appear in the same field?
a. JKCS 041
b. X-ray
c. 9.9 bly
d. redshift?
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by RiverWalker88 » November 27th, 2020, 9:42 am

EKT26 wrote:
November 27th, 2020, 9:36 am
RiverWalker88 wrote:
November 27th, 2020, 9:18 am
I guess I'll take it...?

The attached image will be needed to answer the following questions.
  1. What DSO is depicted in this image?
  2. When this cluster was first discovered, astronomers were unsure if it was a true galaxy cluster, or one just forming. Observations in what wavelength proved this to be a true galaxy cluster?
  3. About how far away is this galaxy cluster (billion light-years)?
  4. At least 19 galaxies have been confirmed to be in this cluster. What measurement can we make to determine if a galaxy is in the same cluster as galaxies that appear in the same field?
a. JKCS 041
b. X-ray
c. 9.9 bly
d. redshift?
a. Yep
b. Yep
c. Yep (although the Chandra site says 10.2 bly, as well)
d. Yep. You would need to measure distance (or redshift would work too), and galaxies that are clustered would have the same distance/redshift.
Edit: Added note on c.
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by EKT26 » November 28th, 2020, 10:07 am

Guess it's my turn to give a question

There's a link to an image of a galaxy spectra with the x axis in angstroms:

What type of galaxy is it (spiral, irr, elliptical, etc.)?
What is a general trend of the spectra that can be used to identify it?
What are 3 or more specific lines that can be used to identify it?
Bonus: Give the redshift

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NntOlL ... sp=sharing

edit: image broke pls help
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by RiverWalker88 » November 30th, 2020, 7:00 pm

If something here breaks, it's probably because this was a saved draft message and IDK what I'm doing when it comes to drafts.
EKT26 wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 10:07 am
Guess it's my turn to give a question

There's a link to an image of a galaxy spectra with the x axis in angstroms:

What type of galaxy is it (spiral, irr, elliptical, etc.)?
What is a general trend of the spectra that can be used to identify it?
What are 3 or more specific lines that can be used to identify it?
Bonus: Give the redshift

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NntOlL ... sp=sharing

edit: image broke pls help
a. Given the numerous absorption lines in the spectrum, I am lead to believe that star-formation is not presently occurring, so this is elliptical.
b. The numerous absorption lines. This indicates that star formation is not present.
c. Calcium Lines (around 3900 Å), Magnesium (5175 Å), Sodium (5900 Å)

Bonus: The magnesium line appears around 5200 Å, so using , I get 0.00483. This appears to be a relatively close elliptical :?:.
Also, for images, I normally either use a discord link (they don't tend to expire), or I just attach the image (the "Attachments" tab in the box under the response box) to dodge all school-blocking (assuming scioly.org isn't blocked).
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by EKT26 » December 2nd, 2020, 4:11 am

RiverWalker88 wrote:
November 30th, 2020, 7:00 pm
If something here breaks, it's probably because this was a saved draft message and IDK what I'm doing when it comes to drafts.
EKT26 wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 10:07 am
Guess it's my turn to give a question

There's a link to an image of a galaxy spectra with the x axis in angstroms:

What type of galaxy is it (spiral, irr, elliptical, etc.)?
What is a general trend of the spectra that can be used to identify it?
What are 3 or more specific lines that can be used to identify it?
Bonus: Give the redshift

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NntOlL ... sp=sharing

edit: image broke pls help
a. Given the numerous absorption lines in the spectrum, I am lead to believe that star-formation is not presently occurring, so this is elliptical.
b. The numerous absorption lines. This indicates that star formation is not present.
c. Calcium Lines (around 3900 Å), Magnesium (5175 Å), Sodium (5900 Å)

Bonus: The magnesium line appears around 5200 Å, so using , I get 0.00483. This appears to be a relatively close elliptical :?:.
Also, for images, I normally either use a discord link (they don't tend to expire), or I just attach the image (the "Attachments" tab in the box under the response box) to dodge all school-blocking (assuming scioly.org isn't blocked).
All of those are correct.
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by RiverWalker88 » December 3rd, 2020, 11:51 am

Galactic Jets in Radio Galaxies
  1. Radio galaxies always have a set of powerful jets leading from the black hole. Because of these jets, what can we infer about the spin rate of the black hole?
  2. What major feature of radio galaxies is caused by these jets?
  3. Most radio galaxies are elliptical. What property of elliptical galaxies make us believe that the matter that feeds the AGN is from external origin (i.e. not directly from the host galaxy)?
  4. What might this matter of external origin come from?
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by Name » December 3rd, 2020, 6:00 pm

RiverWalker88 wrote:
December 3rd, 2020, 11:51 am
Galactic Jets in Radio Galaxies
  1. Radio galaxies always have a set of powerful jets leading from the black hole. Because of these jets, what can we infer about the spin rate of the black hole?
  2. What major feature of radio galaxies is caused by these jets?
  3. Most radio galaxies are elliptical. What property of elliptical galaxies make us believe that the matter that feeds the AGN is from external origin (i.e. not directly from the host galaxy)?
  4. What might this matter of external origin come from?
1. uh the jets are due to synchrotron radiation, which implies a high spin rate of the black hole?
2. active galactic nuclei, or more specifically a quasar
3. The mass of the galaxy closely correlates to the mass of the black hole. this would not be the case if the AGN feeds only from the host galaxy as the ratio of black hole mass to galaxy mass would increase over time, leading to differently aged elliptical galaxies having different ratios of black hole mass to galaxy mass. As both are correlated, there must be mass of outside origin feeding into both the galaxy and the black hole.
4. galaxy collisions and cannibalism 
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by RiverWalker88 » December 3rd, 2020, 6:12 pm

Name wrote:
December 3rd, 2020, 6:00 pm
RiverWalker88 wrote:
December 3rd, 2020, 11:51 am
Galactic Jets in Radio Galaxies
  1. Radio galaxies always have a set of powerful jets leading from the black hole. Because of these jets, what can we infer about the spin rate of the black hole?
  2. What major feature of radio galaxies is caused by these jets?
  3. Most radio galaxies are elliptical. What property of elliptical galaxies make us believe that the matter that feeds the AGN is from external origin (i.e. not directly from the host galaxy)?
  4. What might this matter of external origin come from?
1. uh the jets are due to synchrotron radiation, which implies a high spin rate of the black hole?
2. active galactic nuclei, or more specifically a quasar
3. The mass of the galaxy closely correlates to the mass of the black hole. this would not be the case if the AGN feeds only from the host galaxy as the ratio of black hole mass to galaxy mass would increase over time, leading to differently aged elliptical galaxies having different ratios of black hole mass to galaxy mass. As both are correlated, there must be mass of outside origin feeding into both the galaxy and the black hole.
4. galaxy collisions and cannibalism 
a. Yep
b. I was looking more for radio lobes here, an AGN isn't necessarily caused by the jets...
c. Uhhh... I can't verify if this is right or wrong. I was mainly considering that elliptical galaxies having low amounts of the cool gas that feeds an AGN. Your answer seems pretty reasonable too, though...
d. Yep
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by Name » December 4th, 2020, 5:55 am

Let's look at 3C273 and AGNs
1. What type of quasar is 3C273 (radio-loud or quiet)? What does being a radio-loud quasar mean? Which type of quasar is more common?
2. Some quasars create the illusion of multiple quasars in close proximity, yet is only one quasar. What causes this illusion?
3. Classify the following AGNs on the type of galaxy they are most likely to appear in- Seyfert 1, Seyfert 2, Quasars, Radio galaxies (Ex. Spiral Galaxy)
4. Seyfert 1 and Quasar AGNs are observed to have broad emission lines. What causes these emission lines?
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Re: Astronomy C

Post by AstroClarinet » December 4th, 2020, 6:16 am

Name wrote:
December 4th, 2020, 5:55 am
Let's look at 3C273 and AGNs
1. What type of quasar is 3C273 (radio-loud or quiet)? What does being a radio-loud quasar mean? Which type of quasar is more common?
2. Some quasars create the illusion of multiple quasars in close proximity, yet is only one quasar. What causes this illusion?
3. Classify the following AGNs on the type of galaxy they are most likely to appear in- Seyfert 1, Seyfert 2, Quasars, Radio galaxies (Ex. Spiral Galaxy)
4. Seyfert 1 and Quasar AGNs are observed to have broad emission lines. What causes these emission lines?
1. 3C 273 is radio-loud. Radio-loud quasars have high amounts of radio emission, but radio-quiet quasars are more common.
2. Gravitational lensing 
3. Seyfert 1 & 2 - spiral, Radio galaxies - elliptical, Quasars - elliptical?
4. The broad line region - fast-moving gas clouds which absorb & re-emit light from the accretion disk as broad emission lines because of Doppler broadening (due to their high speeds).
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