Rocks & Minerals B/C

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby ScottMaurer19 » April 26th, 2018, 7:24 am

Anyone else notice that crystalline limestone is not on the official list anymore :?
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Kyanite » April 26th, 2018, 9:20 am

ScottMaurer19 wrote:Anyone else notice that crystalline limestone is not on the official list anymore :?


I did see that, really need to take it out of my notes :lol: :lol:

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby ScottMaurer19 » April 26th, 2018, 9:27 am

Kyanite wrote:
ScottMaurer19 wrote:Anyone else notice that crystalline limestone is not on the official list anymore :?


I did see that, really need to take it out of my notes :lol: :lol:

I swear I saw it on a test this year and got it right but :?:

EDIT: I guess we can't confuse dolostone and crystalline limestone now so that's an improvement
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Kyanite » April 26th, 2018, 9:32 am

ScottMaurer19 wrote:
Kyanite wrote:
ScottMaurer19 wrote:Anyone else notice that crystalline limestone is not on the official list anymore :?


I did see that, really need to take it out of my notes :lol: :lol:

I swear I saw it on a test this year and got it right but :?:

EDIT: I guess we can't confuse dolostone and crystalline limestone now so that's an improvement


True, that was an annoying ID mix up.

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby gvorwald » April 29th, 2018, 10:40 am

Crystalline limestone was taken out because it really is not a scientific term used for limestone. Travertine is a crystalline limestone, and often skeletal or fossiliferous limestone is cemented with crystalline calcite.

Limestone is actually classified through two systems based on either Folk or Dunham. I prefer Dunham which is based on amount of mud vs grains: mudstone, wackestone, packstone, grainstone. This is beyond the rules for this year, but I thought I would offer an explanation about crystalline limestone.

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby gvorwald » April 29th, 2018, 10:49 am

Some good resources for Rocks and Minerals, both B and C, are posted on the National Science Olympiad website:
https://www.soinc.org/rocks-and-minerals-b

For Rocks, look up various tables and charts on the Internet for:

Rock Cycle
Igneous Rock Chart
Sedimentary Rock Chart
Metamorphic Rock Chart
Metamorphic Environments

Don't limit yourself to the NYS Earth Science Reference Tables. They were based on other published charts. Choose the charts that include many of the rocks on the 2018 Science OIympiad list, and the ones that work best for you.

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Re: Bornite vs Chalcopyrite

Postby gvorwald » April 29th, 2018, 11:46 am

Some time ago, there was a question about how to tell the difference between Bornite and Chalcopyrite. Both are very similar ores of copper, but with different chemical formulas. Both are Copper Iron Sulfides, but with different percentages or each of these elements.

Most "peacock ore" or "peacock copper" is chalcopyrite that has been treated with acid to enhance its iridescence. Both can be iridescent naturally due to exposure to air, although Bornite is usually shades of blue and purple. Unfortunately, most event supervisors may not be as knowledgeable about differentiating these two minerals. Both have similar density, luster, hardness, uneven fracture, etc.

If you have a freshly broken specimen, Chalcopyrite will be golden yellow, and Bornite coppery brown. However, I don't feel it fair to ask for identification of these two minerals without providing some information that can be used to distinguish them, such as the formula, or information about the unoxidized color, etc.

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Re: Bornite vs Chalcopyrite

Postby ScottMaurer19 » April 29th, 2018, 4:16 pm

gvorwald wrote:Some time ago, there was a question about how to tell the difference between Bornite and Chalcopyrite. Both are very similar ores of copper, but with different chemical formulas. Both are Copper Iron Sulfides, but with different percentages or each of these elements.

Most "peacock ore" or "peacock copper" is chalcopyrite that has been treated with acid to enhance its iridescence. Both can be iridescent naturally due to exposure to air, although Bornite is usually shades of blue and purple. Unfortunately, most event supervisors may not be as knowledgeable about differentiating these two minerals. Both have similar density, luster, hardness, uneven fracture, etc.

If you have a freshly broken specimen, Chalcopyrite will be golden yellow, and Bornite coppery brown. However, I don't feel it fair to ask for identification of these two minerals without providing some information that can be used to distinguish them, such as the formula, or information about the unoxidized color, etc.

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Thank you for noticing this as this has been one of the mix ups that both the Div B students I coach and I worry about. I look forward to another great test this year!
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Pomegranate » May 1st, 2018, 4:25 pm

Not sure where to ask this, but does anyone remember how long you had at each station for the Nationals Rocks test Div C last year? Thanks!

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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby fabishkf » May 1st, 2018, 6:23 pm

Buy the tests. 3 min (tho I was in div b last year, you can buy the tests), 16 stations.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby kate! » May 1st, 2018, 6:51 pm

Pomegranate wrote:Not sure where to ask this, but does anyone remember how long you had at each station for the Nationals Rocks test Div C last year? Thanks!

Never been to nats, nor am I div C, but I do have experience with the proctor (Gary Vorwald) and his stations are typically 2 minutes long. They might be longer for nationals though, but expect somewhere in that range.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby dxu46 » May 1st, 2018, 6:52 pm

kate! wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:Not sure where to ask this, but does anyone remember how long you had at each station for the Nationals Rocks test Div C last year? Thanks!

Never been to nats, nor am I div C, but I do have experience with the proctor (Gary Vorwald) and his stations are typically 2 minutes long. They might be longer for nationals though, but expect somewhere in that range.

gvorwald: Did you only write division C for last year nats?
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby Unome » May 1st, 2018, 7:14 pm

dxu46 wrote:
kate! wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:Not sure where to ask this, but does anyone remember how long you had at each station for the Nationals Rocks test Div C last year? Thanks!

Never been to nats, nor am I div C, but I do have experience with the proctor (Gary Vorwald) and his stations are typically 2 minutes long. They might be longer for nationals though, but expect somewhere in that range.

gvorwald: Did you only write division C for last year nats?

He's written Div C R&M/Fossils for at least the last three years. Someone else does Div B.
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby kate! » August 27th, 2018, 11:04 am

For the sedimentary rocks in Fossils, can we just use our notes from this event?
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Re: Rocks & Minerals B/C

Postby dxu46 » August 27th, 2018, 1:36 pm

kate! wrote:For the sedimentary rocks in Fossils, can we just use our notes from this event?

Probably, but the majority of the event is going to be fossils, so rocks will probably just be a general understanding, not in-depth like R&M.
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