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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » Wed May 02, 2018 4:31 pm

For analyzing B results for nationals, it's likely worthwhile to keep this in mind:

Crtomir wrote:Our team placed 3rd in Mystery Architecure at the Ohio State Tournament. They had to build a cantilever that hung off of a wall and held a 12 oz. soda can. See picture:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/A3LSSdkKkivtYxCW2

Unfortunately, the scoring was all messed up. The students were supposed to take their bag that that their team number on it and go to that station to build their cantilever. The event supervisors did not tell them that, so teams took their bags and numbers at random. Then, when they did the scoring, they recorded each team's score as if they were from the team number that was their bag/station number. Here, we were team #9, but our score got recorded for team #4 because we were at station #4. There was no way to back out what each team placed (not everyone will remember their station number). They could have turned this event into a trial event, but it would not have affected the team rankings.

I don't know what materials they had to work with. They said they were given a whole roll of tape to work with. Usually, they limit the amount of tape. It also looks like they had bamboo skewers to work with. Not sure how many.

Hope this helps those going to Nationals. Good luck.


So, Solon and Tower Heights likely placed higher than 16th and 19th. I'd say it'd be a good idea to just take away the scores for the event, as it probably should have been to begin with. Team scores aren't affected too much, except Kenston falls to 10th, and Shore, McCord, and Ridge each move up one place.

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Solon - 50
Tower Heights - 93
Watts - 135
Magsig - 164
New Albany - 198
Chardon - 272
Mentor Shore - 293
McCord - 304
Mentor Ridge - 318
Kenston - 325
Beachwood - 327
Mason - 348
Westlake Lee Burneson - 349
Northmont - 364
Grandview Heights - 368
West Liberty Salem - 389
Springfield - 394
Granville - 420
New Richmond - 427
Copley-Fairlawn - 447
Seton Catholic - 460
Amherst - 492
Arbor Hills - 498
A.I. Root - 520
Dayton Regional STEM - 538
Hudson - 542
Orrville - 550
Revere - 552
St. Francis Xavier - 570
Canal Winchester - 598
Rocky River - 603
Shawnee - 605
St. Barnabas - 614
Ross - 618
Milford - 639
Warren - 654
Brecksville-Broadview Hts - 662
Eastern - 717
Southern - 777
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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby knightmoves » Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote: I'd say it'd be a good idea to just take away the scores for the event, as it probably should have been to begin with.


Probably?

East, you are the master of the understatement. The scores were all assigned to random teams. It is mind-boggling that they have been left in. One for PRES, I think.

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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby MIScioly1 » Wed May 02, 2018 7:44 pm

kate! wrote:
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While your at it give NY some more. (But like there's so many teams that are good enough to qualify that are being blocked out by things like DC this'll never happen without making drastic changes to the nats system. Maybe making the competition include Thursday/Sunday? I'm probably missing some big factor that makes this implauseable)

The main factor would be space and facilities at the venue I think. That and how are the extra slots assigned.

To be honest, I don't think there'll be states getting 3 bids any time in the future without giving every state 2 bids first, no matter how big the state that wants 3 bids is. 2 bids in New York is pretty fair because it encourages competition, usually the top 3 teams are fighting to get in, while if you added 3 bids, there wouldn't be enough strong competition.


I don’t think they’ll ever change how nationals is done, but I think they should. Personally, I’m more of a fan of rewarding performance rather than just size. I’d have 70 teams, with the 60 they have now, plus an extra bid to the state of every team in the top 10 of nationals the previous year (max 4 per state). So, if Ohio had their usual two teams and both placed in top 10 at nats, they’d get 4 bids the following year. It’d give smaller states the opportunity for more bids too (ahem Texas).

I’m sure there are a thousand problems with this idea, but just my two cents :)
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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby chalker » Wed May 02, 2018 8:02 pm

knightmoves wrote:
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: I'd say it'd be a good idea to just take away the scores for the event, as it probably should have been to begin with.


Probably?

East, you are the master of the understatement. The scores were all assigned to random teams. It is mind-boggling that they have been left in. One for PRES, I think.


I'll copy what I put in the other thread about this: Just wanted to point out that while this did potentially happen, there isn't any concrete evidence to prove that it did happen. We looked at this a bit after the ceremony and couldn't conclude one way or the other. Note it also didn't matter if we trialed the event, as the gap between 2nd and 3rd place was more than the number of teams, hence it wouldn't change who was going to nationals.

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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby chalker » Wed May 02, 2018 8:06 pm

MIScioly1 wrote:I’m sure there are a thousand problems with this idea, but just my two cents :)


As stated before, the main issue is space:

-We can only squeeze so many students into a typical competition room, hence only so many per hour. And only so many competition blocks during the day.
-We can only squeeze so many people into some of the ceremony venues (hence some years we end up doing 2 separate ceremonies, which is a big hassle to everyone)
-We can only make so many dorm rooms / hotel rooms available (hence some years some teams end up staying in hotels way far away from campus)

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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby Crtomir » Thu May 03, 2018 11:36 am

knightmoves wrote:
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: I'd say it'd be a good idea to just take away the scores for the event, as it probably should have been to begin with.


Probably?

East, you are the master of the understatement. The scores were all assigned to random teams. It is mind-boggling that they have been left in. One for PRES, I think.


Well, if they turned it into a trial event (after the awards ceremony), there would have been a lot of negative reactions from lots of coaches. Since it wasn't going to affect the team rankings for the top teams (they all would have done pretty well in Mystery Architecture just like they had been doing all season), it was decided not to worry about making it a trial event. Sometimes, it's best to leave well enough alone. At least our kids know what they would have scored, but it wouldn't have bumped our team rank up or down.

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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby Crtomir » Thu May 03, 2018 12:14 pm

chalker wrote:
knightmoves wrote:
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: I'd say it'd be a good idea to just take away the scores for the event, as it probably should have been to begin with.


Probably?

East, you are the master of the understatement. The scores were all assigned to random teams. It is mind-boggling that they have been left in. One for PRES, I think.


I'll copy what I put in the other thread about this: Just wanted to point out that while this did potentially happen, there isn't any concrete evidence to prove that it did happen. We looked at this a bit after the ceremony and couldn't conclude one way or the other. Note it also didn't matter if we trialed the event, as the gap between 2nd and 3rd place was more than the number of teams, hence it wouldn't change who was going to nationals.


True. I should have been more careful to say that the scores seemed suspcet and this was the best theory we had as to what happend. There was no conclusive evidence and even if the event was turned into a trial event, it would not have made enough of a difference in the team rankings. No official arbitration was filed. I apologize for stirring the pot. My intention was just to let the Mystery Architecture people know how they tested Cantilevers and how a well-performing cantlilever looked like.

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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby zannash » Sat May 19, 2018 1:21 pm

Is anyone here on the discord, because I would be interested in starting an Ohio channel on the Science Olympiad Discord. There is am officially announced update to create channels for specific states.
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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby kate! » Sat May 19, 2018 1:33 pm

zannash wrote:Is anyone here on the discord, because I would be interested in starting an Ohio channel on the Science Olympiad Discord. There is am officially announced update to create channels for specific states.

On the discord, you need 3 people from your state to create a state channel. It has been said that you can create one by yourself, it'll just be very lonely. Since there are a lot of users from Ohio, maybe ask to have one created and periodically check if anyone else wants to join.
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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby Unome » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm

Old state tournament results:

  • 2004 Div B / Div C (includes raw scores)
  • Probably 2001 B / C
  • Possibly 2000 B / C

Is anyone able to confirm the years for 2000 and 2001?
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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby 4Head » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:53 am

Unome wrote:Old state tournament results:

  • 2004 Div B / Div C (includes raw scores)
  • Probably 2001 B / C
  • Possibly 2000 B / C

Is anyone able to confirm the years for 2000 and 2001?

bruh half of us werent alive then :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Ohio 2018

Postby Unome » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:25 pm

4Head wrote:
Unome wrote:Old state tournament results:

  • 2004 Div B / Div C (includes raw scores)
  • Probably 2001 B / C
  • Possibly 2000 B / C

Is anyone able to confirm the years for 2000 and 2001?

bruh half of us werent alive then :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

But, the other half was :)

The scoresheets for 2000 and 2001 bear differences from the wiki, which is why I asked. Hopefully someone knows something...
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