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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby Tailsfan101 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:36 pm

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nicholasmaurer wrote:
Tailsfan101 wrote:Very true. Fun fact: This year's National DD test didn't have a single question based on foodborne illnesses...


I also heard the format was very different from years past, which would be unusual. The format had been consistent for many years.

Hm, I hadn't heard this (only heard the 40 minutes and no foodborne illnesses parts). Do you remember any details?

From what I remember, there was some basic knowledge at the beginning, followed by an outbreak of Y. pestis, and then an epi curve drawing at the end.
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby nicholasmaurer » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:39 pm

Tailsfan101 wrote:
Unome wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:
I also heard the format was very different from years past, which would be unusual. The format had been consistent for many years.

Hm, I hadn't heard this (only heard the 40 minutes and no foodborne illnesses parts). Do you remember any details?

From what I remember, there was some basic knowledge at the beginning, followed by an outbreak of Y. pestis, and then an epi curve drawing at the end.


In the past, the test consistently focused on 2-3 scenarios, at least one of which related to the topic for the year. The scenarios would have a long block of text (think 1-2 entire pages) explaining an outbreak, investigation, etc. followed by a series of questions. As the questions progressed, additional information would periodically be introduced (e.g. lab results) to address more complex questions. In this format, there were few - if any - freestanding knowledge questions; questions focused on applying concepts to the scenarios.

I was told that this year's exam instead had many shorter scenarios and freestanding questions. This format is perfectly valid - I have used it in exams I wrote - but would be a departure from the traditional format at the National Tournament dating back to at least 2012.
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby pikachu4919 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:33 pm

nicholasmaurer wrote:
Tailsfan101 wrote:
Unome wrote:Hm, I hadn't heard this (only heard the 40 minutes and no foodborne illnesses parts). Do you remember any details?

From what I remember, there was some basic knowledge at the beginning, followed by an outbreak of Y. pestis, and then an epi curve drawing at the end.


In the past, the test consistently focused on 2-3 scenarios, at least one of which related to the topic for the year. The scenarios would have a long block of text (think 1-2 entire pages) explaining an outbreak, investigation, etc. followed by a series of questions. As the questions progressed, additional information would periodically be introduced (e.g. lab results) to address more complex questions. In this format, there were few - if any - freestanding knowledge questions; questions focused on applying concepts to the scenarios.

I was told that this year's exam instead had many shorter scenarios and freestanding questions. This format is perfectly valid - I have used it in exams I wrote - but would be a departure from the traditional format at the National Tournament dating back to at least 2012.


Who said the tests had to stay traditional? ;)

[ik, ik, sometimes it's good to think outside of the box for test writing and sometimes that ends in total disaster, but still...]
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby Unome » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:44 pm

pikachu4919 wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:
Tailsfan101 wrote:From what I remember, there was some basic knowledge at the beginning, followed by an outbreak of Y. pestis, and then an epi curve drawing at the end.


In the past, the test consistently focused on 2-3 scenarios, at least one of which related to the topic for the year. The scenarios would have a long block of text (think 1-2 entire pages) explaining an outbreak, investigation, etc. followed by a series of questions. As the questions progressed, additional information would periodically be introduced (e.g. lab results) to address more complex questions. In this format, there were few - if any - freestanding knowledge questions; questions focused on applying concepts to the scenarios.

I was told that this year's exam instead had many shorter scenarios and freestanding questions. This format is perfectly valid - I have used it in exams I wrote - but would be a departure from the traditional format at the National Tournament dating back to at least 2012.


Who said the tests had to stay traditional? ;)

[ik, ik, sometimes it's good to think outside of the box for test writing and sometimes that ends in total disaster, but still...]

I'm just waiting for some Nationals ES to intentionally change their writing style just to troll competitors.
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby nicholasmaurer » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:10 pm

pikachu4919 wrote:
Who said the tests had to stay traditional? ;)

[ik, ik, sometimes it's good to think outside of the box for test writing and sometimes that ends in total disaster, but still...]


I have no objection at all to utilizing different test styles; I just found the shift interesting after the format had stayed fixed for so long.

At the end of the day, format isn't what matters to me. I care that competitors receive quality tests that follow the rules and provide a good assessment of their knowledge. In my opinion, CDC has done a good job over the years of achieving that goal, and my students' only complaint this year was the lack of focus on food-borne illness. The format was acceptable - just different.
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby pikachu4919 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:33 pm

nicholasmaurer wrote:
pikachu4919 wrote:
Who said the tests had to stay traditional? ;)

[ik, ik, sometimes it's good to think outside of the box for test writing and sometimes that ends in total disaster, but still...]


I have no objection at all to utilizing different test styles; I just found the shift interesting after the format had stayed fixed for so long.

At the end of the day, format isn't what matters to me. I care that competitors receive quality tests that follow the rules and provide a good assessment of their knowledge. In my opinion, CDC has done a good job over the years of achieving that goal, and my students' only complaint this year was the lack of focus on food-borne illness. The format was acceptable - just different.


Ah, didn't really mean to say there's something wrong with objecting to different test styles...
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby Galahad » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:25 pm

any of yall got draft rules or the 2019 herp list yet
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby pikachu4919 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:28 pm

karanbe123 wrote:
Galahad wrote:any of yall got draft rules or the 2019 herp list yet

Same I could really use those...


SOSI hasn't happened yet. That's when most of that stuff becomes more established. If anything's out now, it probably has quite a few more rounds of peer reviews among the higher ups left to go through before it's even close to what its final version will look like. (...right, chalker?)

If you're looking for things related to herp to study, then wouldn't hurt to look at stuff on the 2018 list since chances are some of those will return for next season or content about the specimens such as those described in rule 3.d. from the 2018 season.
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Postby chalker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:15 pm

pikachu4919 wrote:
Chill. SOSI hasn't even happened yet. That's when most of that stuff becomes more established. If anything's out now, it probably has quite a few more rounds of peer reviews among the higher ups left to go through before it's even close to what its final version will look like. (...right, chalker?)
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Right..........although we do have our 'SOSI' versions locked down now.

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Postby luanne » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:25 am

YALL:
any tips on how to study for protein modeling??
anything appreciated
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Re: What will be the division C events for 2019?

Postby simicartan » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:21 am

Unome wrote:
knottingpurple wrote:The Dynamic Planet topic should switch to glaciers next year, shouldn't it? Idk the topic rotations for any of the other events but I'm sure somebody will.

I've heard rumors of Glaciers, although the expected topic based on the rotation is Freshwater. Neither would surprise me.

what rumors though? i want to know

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Postby pikachu4919 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:38 am

luanne wrote:YALL:
any tips on how to study for protein modeling??
anything appreciated


[I placed 10th at nats in this event in 2016, thus I know what I'm talking about]

The CBM MSOE website should have everything you need to know, although I'd also suggest looking into additional sources for general protein biochemistry information. I definitely advise that you don't forget about the exam, but that you also remember to put lots of energy into building your prebuild model and practicing with jmol in prep for onsite. Those two models are worth 70 percent of your score, and your exam is only worth 30 percent. If you want to see examples of models, see some of the Best of Nationals wikis (particularly 2015/2016 or 2011/2012, as those were the last two pairs of years when protein was run), and the Protein Modeling event actually also has its own Facebook page, where it has posted photos of competitors with models that they brought to be judged for the 2016 National Tournament, which was the most recent year when protein was run.

Hope this is a good enough amount of info to get you started.
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby windu34 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:21 am

pikachu4919 wrote:Protein Modeling event actually also has its own Facebook page

Wow I had no idea about this and just looked it up and its actually incredible that it exists. Being able to see what the TOP TEAMS IN THE NATION did for their prebuild regarding material and design is a HUGE advantage for all the users that see this post on this site.
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