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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby Unome » August 4th, 2018, 4:28 pm

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They haven’t revealed what the required piece is tho, and what’s interesting is that since they used to have each partner play one instrument each (hence two instruments total), I wonder how the roles will work now.

What makes you think there will be a required piece? Based on the event description, I would not be so quick to assume there will be one.
"Teams must construct and tune one device prior to the tournament based on a 12-tone equal tempered scale and complete a written test on the physics of sound."


The last time it was run it involved performing on your instrument to show its capabilities, doing one required piece and one piece of your choice. I’m not sure what it will be this year.

Based on the fact that the event is known to be removing most of the subjective portions, I wouldn't expect this part to return.
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Postby terence.tan » August 4th, 2018, 5:01 pm

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Boss wrote:What makes you think there will be a required piece? Based on the event description, I would not be so quick to assume there will be one.
"Teams must construct and tune one device prior to the tournament based on a 12-tone equal tempered scale and complete a written test on the physics of sound."


The last time it was run it involved performing on your instrument to show its capabilities, doing one required piece and one piece of your choice. I’m not sure what it will be this year.

Based on the fact that the event is known to be removing most of the subjective portions, I wouldn't expect this part to return.

In that case, whats the point of constructing an instrument?
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Re: Events 2018-2019

Postby Unome » August 4th, 2018, 5:14 pm

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The last time it was run it involved performing on your instrument to show its capabilities, doing one required piece and one piece of your choice. I’m not sure what it will be this year.

Based on the fact that the event is known to be removing most of the subjective portions, I wouldn't expect this part to return.

In that case, whats the point of constructing an instrument?

The previous iteration included a scale test, if I remember correctly. I expect this will get more emphasis, and could possibly be the entirety of the device testing. I would imagine it's not too difficult to measure the tune of an instrument.
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Postby chalker » August 5th, 2018, 7:14 pm

Regarding Sounds, you all will be able to see the rules 'real soon now'. I know some of you will be somewhat upset that they diverge in the ways they do from previous versions. We had some tough choices to make and had a relatively large, diverse, and very skilled team involved in making those choices and changes. We've come up with what I think is a good compromise between all the various competing interests.

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Postby no.surprises » August 9th, 2018, 9:59 pm

chalker wrote:Regarding Sounds, you all will be able to see the rules 'real soon now'. I know some of you will be somewhat upset that they diverge in the ways they do from previous versions. We had some tough choices to make and had a relatively large, diverse, and very skilled team involved in making those choices and changes. We've come up with what I think is a good compromise between all the various competing interests.


Wait, what do you mean? Official rules that come out in september?
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Postby bernard » August 9th, 2018, 10:55 pm

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chalker wrote:Regarding Sounds, you all will be able to see the rules 'real soon now'. I know some of you will be somewhat upset that they diverge in the ways they do from previous versions. We had some tough choices to make and had a relatively large, diverse, and very skilled team involved in making those choices and changes. We've come up with what I think is a good compromise between all the various competing interests.


Wait, what do you mean? Official rules that come out in september?

Yes, finalized events and rules are published digitally in September.
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chalker wrote:Regarding Sounds, you all will be able to see the rules 'real soon now'. I know some of you will be somewhat upset that they diverge in the ways they do from previous versions. We had some tough choices to make and had a relatively large, diverse, and very skilled team involved in making those choices and changes. We've come up with what I think is a good compromise between all the various competing interests.


Wait, what do you mean? Official rules that come out in september?

Yes, finalized events and rules are published digitally in September.

According to soinc.org the rules come out 9/4
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As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.

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Postby Unome » August 12th, 2018, 8:04 am

meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.

Does the national schedule have that much influence over schedules in your area?

(also, as I understand it the national schedule is primarily developed by the tournament directors, with minimal input from NSO)
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Postby meierfra » August 12th, 2018, 9:52 am

Unome wrote:
meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.

Does the national schedule have that much influence over schedules in your area?

(also, as I understand it the national schedule is primarily developed by the tournament directors, with minimal input from NSO)


The state of Michigan, and most of the states around here, follow the national schedule for the state tournament. Almost all of the regionals, except for a couple of the really small ones, follow the state schedule. So we, as invitationals, also follow the national schedule. I've seen that you do the Chattahoochee invite with more than half self-scheduling. Teams expect an invitational to be run to help them prepare for their real competition, and want to see the same conflicts that they'll see then.

But I didn't realize that it isn't NSO who makes up the national schedule.

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Postby Unome » August 12th, 2018, 11:28 am

meierfra wrote:
Unome wrote:
meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.

Does the national schedule have that much influence over schedules in your area?

(also, as I understand it the national schedule is primarily developed by the tournament directors, with minimal input from NSO)


The state of Michigan, and most of the states around here, follow the national schedule for the state tournament. Almost all of the regionals, except for a couple of the really small ones, follow the state schedule. So we, as invitationals, also follow the national schedule. I've seen that you do the Chattahoochee invite with more than half self-scheduling. Teams expect an invitational to be run to help them prepare for their real competition, and want to see the same conflicts that they'll see then.

But I didn't realize that it isn't NSO who makes up the national schedule.

Ok, I thought it might be something like that - I haven't looked at Michigan much, since John is here to cover those for the wiki. The prevalence of self-scheduling in Georgia is definitely a part of why Chattahoochee runs full self-scheduled.
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Postby nicholasmaurer » August 12th, 2018, 12:31 pm

meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.


I don't think this request is possible. Typically, except for 1-2 events (e.g. Disease Detectives) which run only during the impound period, all events are run during all six of the main time slots. Therefore, there are not "morning" vs. "afternoon" events. For any given team, it is certainly possible that all of these events would be in the morning. But that would likely mean another team has all four events in the afternoon.

I also wouldn't expect any of those events to be self-schedule; none have been in the past.

As a Tournament Director, however, you are certainly empowered to set your own tournament's schedule to make your requests happen. But I would not expect the National Tournament schedule to reflect any of these requests.
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Postby pikachu4919 » August 12th, 2018, 12:59 pm

nicholasmaurer wrote:
meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.


I don't think this request is possible. Typically, except for 1-2 events (e.g. Disease Detectives) which run only during the impound period, all events are run during all six of the main time slots. Therefore, there are not "morning" vs. "afternoon" events. For any given team, it is certainly possible that all of these events would be in the morning. But that would likely mean another team has all four events in the afternoon.

I also wouldn't expect any of those events to be self-schedule; none have been in the past.

As a Tournament Director, however, you are certainly empowered to set your own tournament's schedule to make your requests happen. But I would not expect the National Tournament schedule to reflect any of these requests.


As someone who has also worked as a tournament exec, I agree with this. A lot of people complain about stuff that’s hard to grade not always being in the morning, but at the same time, for some things you can only run a certain amount of teams at a time. For example, for lab events like Forensics, fire safety rules only allow a restricted number of people in the lab at a time - you get all the teams to go by splitting them across the timeslots like how nats does, and in that way, it isn’t really possible to have everyone do it in the morning. The same applies to Protein - you can only have so many people in a computer lab at once. The events like Disease Detectives that run all teams in the morning are able to do that since the way it’s run enables it to be done with everyone in the same room at once.

All in all, a lot of the time the reason why these events are run the way they are in terms of time slots is because of the number of teams attending and limitations on how many of those teams a given space can hold at a time.

While this doesn’t necessarily fully answer the question of opening everything up to self signup, it also applies since like Nick said, for every team that signs up for a morning slot, that’s another team signing up for an afternoon slot. Not everyone is going to be happy.
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Postby meierfra » August 12th, 2018, 1:27 pm

nicholasmaurer wrote:
meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.


I don't think this request is possible. Typically, except for 1-2 events (e.g. Disease Detectives) which run only during the impound period, all events are run during all six of the main time slots. Therefore, there are not "morning" vs. "afternoon" events. For any given team, it is certainly possible that all of these events would be in the morning. But that would likely mean another team has all four events in the afternoon.

I also wouldn't expect any of those events to be self-schedule; none have been in the past.

As a Tournament Director, however, you are certainly empowered to set your own tournament's schedule to make your requests happen. But I would not expect the National Tournament schedule to reflect any of these requests.


I apologize; I did use some shorthand that I thought was clear. My cap is 36 teams and so I run each event in 3 blocks with 12 teams each. There aren't many very large invites around here and most of the invites here run a similar schedule. Then I run 3 blocks in the morning and 3 blocks in the afternoon, giving me that total of 6 blocks.

So I would like all of the worst grading events to fit into 3 blocks, that I can schedule into the morning. If there are 4 events that I want in 3 blocks, then on the national schedule, I either need 2 of them to be in the same block or one of them to be self-scheduled.

ExpDes was self-scheduled a couple of years ago; though I wouldn't expect it to be again so soon.

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Postby Unome » August 12th, 2018, 2:48 pm

meierfra wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:
meierfra wrote:@Chalker
As someone who runs a tournament, I would really like it if Protein Modeling, Experimental Design, WIDI, and Forensics were all in the morning. Is this something you consider when making up the schedule? Can I ask that 2 of those be in the same block or one of them be self-scheduled? Thanks.


I don't think this request is possible. Typically, except for 1-2 events (e.g. Disease Detectives) which run only during the impound period, all events are run during all six of the main time slots. Therefore, there are not "morning" vs. "afternoon" events. For any given team, it is certainly possible that all of these events would be in the morning. But that would likely mean another team has all four events in the afternoon.

I also wouldn't expect any of those events to be self-schedule; none have been in the past.

As a Tournament Director, however, you are certainly empowered to set your own tournament's schedule to make your requests happen. But I would not expect the National Tournament schedule to reflect any of these requests.


I apologize; I did use some shorthand that I thought was clear. My cap is 36 teams and so I run each event in 3 blocks with 12 teams each. There aren't many very large invites around here and most of the invites here run a similar schedule. Then I run 3 blocks in the morning and 3 blocks in the afternoon, giving me that total of 6 blocks.

So I would like all of the worst grading events to fit into 3 blocks, that I can schedule into the morning. If there are 4 events that I want in 3 blocks, then on the national schedule, I either need 2 of them to be in the same block or one of them to be self-scheduled.

ExpDes was self-scheduled a couple of years ago; though I wouldn't expect it to be again so soon.

I wouldn't give ExpDes that low a chance of being self-scheduled again. The only major limitation for Nationals is having a room big enough, which I suspect isn't all that hard for most sites (considering they regularly use large rooms for events that definitely don't need all the space).
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