Herpetology C [TRIAL]

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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby CVMSAvalacheStudent » February 9th, 2017, 4:52 pm

embokim wrote:for rosy boa and rubber boa, they list them as the same genus, when they aren't what should we do?
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I suggest putting what they put so they wouldn't mark you wrong.
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby JasperKota » February 9th, 2017, 4:57 pm

embokim wrote:for rosy boa and rubber boa, they list them as the same genus, when they aren't what should we do?
Thanks for your help


Yeah my team's members ran into the same problem - put down both in your notes, but if you do run into a question that asks for it, I would put down the correct genus, not what's listed on the list. A good test should be accurate, and well-researched, not just based off of the NYS trial list given to them. Testmakers should probably be aware of that error on the list though, and would probably avoid questions about those species.
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby Entomology » February 9th, 2017, 6:06 pm

Does anyone have the list or a link? Thank you so much--I couldn't find it on the New York Website.
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby JasperKota » February 9th, 2017, 6:16 pm

Entomology wrote:Does anyone have the list or a link? Thank you so much--I couldn't find it on the New York Website.

Here's the list. don't know why they make event information so difficult to find: http://www.newyorkscioly.org/wp-content ... tology.pdf
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby dvegadvol » March 20th, 2017, 7:25 am

Are the species we will study just North American or is it all of the Americas, or all of the species worldwide?

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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby Skink » April 1st, 2017, 9:46 am

dvegadvol wrote:Are the species we will study just North American or is it all of the Americas, or all of the species worldwide?

Thanks

This is a really good question and one that I hope gets addressed in the rules before publication. The last time this was an event, it was understood that it was NA-only because, instead of a binder, you were permitted a field guide (and I want to say they recommended NA ones, as I have both Peterson east and west on my shelf). Now, there's no such provision, so it seems fair game that they could ask about something in the taxa listed but that have ranges in Asia or Europe...does that change much? It's hard to say. They shouldn't be asking about things like cobras, though, because the taxon they're in (don't remember offhand) limits it to coral snakes or whatever.

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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby Juanyjose » May 1st, 2017, 10:18 am

Unome wrote:
Magikarpmaster629 wrote:
maxxxxx wrote:
It will be unless they decide to skip right to Ornithology

On the tentative SOSI schedule, it lists Herpetology, so I'd expect it's next. You can wait another two years for your birds :P .

Ok, so this is what the 2018 events seem to be (for those who don't want to decipher the schedule and read all the other relevant documents):

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Disease Detectives B/C (Foodborne Illness)
Ecology B/C
Herpetology B/C (replaces Invasives)
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby maxxxxx » May 1st, 2017, 10:30 am

Juanyjose wrote:
Unome wrote:
Magikarpmaster629 wrote:On the tentative SOSI schedule, it lists Herpetology, so I'd expect it's next. You can wait another two years for your birds :P .

Ok, so this is what the 2018 events seem to be (for those who don't want to decipher the schedule and read all the other relevant documents):

Biology
Anatomy & Physiology B/C (Respiratory, Digestive, Immune)
Disease Detectives B/C (Foodborne Illness)
Ecology B/C
Herpetology B/C (replaces Invasives)
Microbe Mission B/C

Earth Science:
Astronomy C (topic: my best guess is Type II SNe & Stellar Evolution, or something with Galaxies)
Dynamic Planet B/C (Glaciers)
Meteorology B (Climate)
Remote Sensing C (topic unknown)
Road Scholar B
Rocks and Minerals B/C
Solar System B (topic?)

Physics:
Hovercraft B/C
Keep the Heat B/Thermodynamics C (replaces Wind Power)
Optics B/C

Chemistry:
Crime Busters B
Forensics C
Chemistry Lab C (topic: Thermodynamics & something else, possibly Aqueous Solutions or Acids & Bases)
Materials Science C
Potions and Poisons B (replaces Food Science)

Technology:
Battery Buggy B (replaces Scrambler)
Mousetrap Vehicle C (replaces Electric Vehicle)
Wright Stuff B
Helicopters C
Towers B/C
Roller Coaster B (replaces Mission Possible)
Mission Possible C (replaces Robot Arm C)

Inquiry:
Experimental Design B/C
Write It Do It B/C
Fast Facts B
Undecided Event B (my best guess is that they're deciding whether to keep Bottle Rocket or rotate with something like Rotor Egg Drop, or another as yet untested event)
Undecided Event C (replaces Hydrogeology; my best guess is that it'll be a revised version of Technical Problem Solving)
Undecided Event C (replaces Game On; #FermiQuestions?)


Do you know when Sounds of Music will come back as a trial event or a real event?


At the end of last year Chalker said that they wanted to re-write the rules to make it less subjective and run it as a National trial, so that's why they're running Hovercraft this year. Based on that I'm guessing it will be run as a National trial next year and an event the year after.
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby jazzli » July 17th, 2017, 7:20 am

I noticed on the list that some of the scientific taxons and common names do not match exactly. For example, the family Helodermatidae includes both gila monsters and the Mexican beaded lizard; however, the common name only says gila monster. There are many other examples, like Cryptobranchidae/hellbender, and Elapidae/coral snakes.

Should I research according to the scientific name or the common name? Thanks.

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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby John Richardsim » July 17th, 2017, 12:34 pm

jazzli wrote:I noticed on the list that some of the scientific taxons and common names do not match exactly. For example, the family Helodermatidae includes both gila monsters and the Mexican beaded lizard; however, the common name only says gila monster. There are many other examples, like Cryptobranchidae/hellbender, and Elapidae/coral snakes.

Should I research according to the scientific name or the common name? Thanks.

I'd say use the scientific names.
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby windu34 » July 18th, 2017, 1:18 am

jazzli wrote:I noticed on the list that some of the scientific taxons and common names do not match exactly. For example, the family Helodermatidae includes both gila monsters and the Mexican beaded lizard; however, the common name only says gila monster. There are many other examples, like Cryptobranchidae/hellbender, and Elapidae/coral snakes.

Should I research according to the scientific name or the common name? Thanks.

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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby Person » July 18th, 2017, 7:39 am

windu34 wrote:
jazzli wrote:I noticed on the list that some of the scientific taxons and common names do not match exactly. For example, the family Helodermatidae includes both gila monsters and the Mexican beaded lizard; however, the common name only says gila monster. There are many other examples, like Cryptobranchidae/hellbender, and Elapidae/coral snakes.

Should I research according to the scientific name or the common name? Thanks.

Each supervisor may interpret this differently. Research based on both

Maybe it will be clarified when the rules/list officially comes out hopefully...
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby JoJoKeKe » July 18th, 2017, 10:03 pm

Person wrote:
windu34 wrote:
jazzli wrote:I noticed on the list that some of the scientific taxons and common names do not match exactly. For example, the family Helodermatidae includes both gila monsters and the Mexican beaded lizard; however, the common name only says gila monster. There are many other examples, like Cryptobranchidae/hellbender, and Elapidae/coral snakes.

Should I research according to the scientific name or the common name? Thanks.

Each supervisor may interpret this differently. Research based on both

Maybe it will be clarified when the rules/list officially comes out hopefully...


I'm also hoping that this happens. In addition to the common-scientific name confusion, there are some conflictions brought up by an outdated taxonomy usage. I have found on multiple occasions that some of the specimens are listed under a completely different genus, or the genus name has been changed. For this reason, I am waiting to complete some of my snake ID, which appears to present the biggest conflict.
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby windu34 » July 19th, 2017, 12:40 am

JoJoKeKe wrote:
Person wrote:
windu34 wrote:Each supervisor may interpret this differently. Research based on both

Maybe it will be clarified when the rules/list officially comes out hopefully...


I'm also hoping that this happens. In addition to the common-scientific name confusion, there are some conflictions brought up by an outdated taxonomy usage. I have found on multiple occasions that some of the specimens are listed under a completely different genus, or the genus name has been changed. For this reason, I am waiting to complete some of my snake ID, which appears to present the biggest conflict.

Yeah I have run into the outdated taxonomy problem as well. Always go with what is listed on the official rules list even if its outdated
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Re: Herpetology C [TRIAL]

Postby BrS » August 26th, 2017, 5:11 pm

Does anyone know if we research all of the species within each provided family or genus? For example, do we need info on every species of crocodile in Crocodylidae?


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