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Defunct tournaments

Hi pepperonipi! It's awesome how well you've organized everything in navboxes :) I just wanted to ask, do you think it would be appropriate to include the Harriton Festivus in the one-time tournaments part? I don't know whether it even got sanctioned by SO Inc., and it certainly isn't "one time" in the same sense as a national tournament, but on the other hand, it seems noteworthy. Thoughts? gz839918 (talk) 21:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello gz839918! My answer to your question is yes (this is just my opinion), which I'll explain. At first, I said no because the tournament was defunct, and I didn't see the point of a defunct tournament that happened 7 seasons ago to be on a Navbox highlighting many current tournaments. However, I also considered that the tournament maybe should be added to the Navbox, just under a "defunct" subcategory. After all, it was a tournament of Pennsylvania.
My opinion is that Harriton Festivus, and all other defunct tournaments, should be added (although Harriton Festivus should go in the "Invitationals" group, since it was an invitational, even though it was a one-time tournament). This is because those were real tournaments of Pennsylvania, and this Navbox should help people navigate between all tournaments in Pennsylvania faster. As always, if any other wiki editors have any input, it would be greatly appreciated. ~ Pepperonipi talk 01:04, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Actually, adding a defunct line under invitationals would be a better idea than what I suggested. gz839918 (talk) 13:37, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Edited. Let me know if you have any thoughts on the changes. ~ Pepperonipi talk 15:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Addition of regional

With the new Southeast Pennsylvania Regional North, there is a shortage of space on the Regionals line. Rather than add a second line (since I do not anticipate many more regionals to be added), I might recommend having the regionals show up without the word "Pennsylvania", since that can be inferred from the nature of the navbox. EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 17:54, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

That's fine. I don't necessarily see the issue of adding a second line, though? On smaller screens, a Navbox such as the Tournaments of Georgia Navbox has many rows that take up two lines and I don't notice any major display issues with the Navbox at this size. However, I think removing "Pennsylvania" from all of the regional page links on this Navbox is totally fine, because similar to what you said, it's redundant. ~ Pepperonipi talk 22:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Not necessarily that there's an issue with adding a second line, but the fact that there's zero chance of Pennsylvania ever having enough regionals to take up two full lines. EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 19:56, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Is there a reason you want to avoid two lines? I don't see any display issues or reasons why this should be avoided, and Navbox rows taking up two or more lines are found relatively common. I also understand your reasoning, though. Either way is fine. ~ Pepperonipi talk 04:04, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Minimizes the space the navbox takes up where we can help it. Since it's easy to get around (honestly we could get away with just using "Southeast", "Central", etc if we wanted to), it makes sense to keep it as a single line. EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 14:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Ok, that's a fair point. I'm on board with the idea. Now, is it better to get rid of "Pennsylvania" or "Pennsylvania Regional"? My choice would be "Pennsylvania Regional," because I think if we are already removing one repeated word, we might as well remove the other. ~ Pepperonipi talk 17:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I agree; removing "Pennsylvania Regional" would still get across the same amount of information. The only reason I can think of for why these might be kept is if people actually say the full name "XYZ Pennsylvania Regional" as opposed to just "XYZ" in spoken conversation, but East says we can get away with saying "Southeast" or "Central," so I think it's okay shortening it. gz839918 (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Yep, normally we refer to them as the shortened names. They also get referred to as "SEPA", "NEPA", etc, but that may be too informal and lingo-y for the purposes of a wiki infobox. EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 02:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Change was applied to shorten all regional names. Also... cough, cough... it's technically a Navbox, not an Infobox... ~ Pepperonipi talk 02:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I am too old to care about the difference. :P EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Closed "Invitationals"

Right now we have two pages for closed non-regional tournaments: Berks County Tournament and Eastern Pennsylvania Conference Tournament. Where would these fit in the navbox? Just throw them in with Invitationals or do they need their own group? EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 14:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Thought about this a little longer. SE Urban also technically qualifies as a semi-closed invitational. So the question now becomes, should open and semi-closed invitationals be listed in the same group or not? EastStroudsburg13 (talk) 16:21, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
I would put them under invitationals. It's up to you. Tailsfan101talk 18:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, just putting them in the invitationals group should be fine. ~ Pepperonipi talk 18:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)